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We usually say "came from", not "originated from", when referring to a place. · They all seem reasonably synonymous. · @Barmar: so 'x' can ... EnglishLanguage&UsageStackExchangeisaquestionandanswersiteforlinguists,etymologists,andseriousEnglishlanguageenthusiasts.Itonlytakesaminutetosignup. Signuptojointhiscommunity Anybodycanaskaquestion Anybodycananswer Thebestanswersarevotedupandrisetothetop Home Public Questions Tags Users Unanswered Teams StackOverflowforTeams –Startcollaboratingandsharingorganizationalknowledge. CreateafreeTeam WhyTeams? Teams CreatefreeTeam Teams Q&Aforwork Connectandshareknowledgewithinasinglelocationthatisstructuredandeasytosearch. Learnmore originate+from/with/in/as AskQuestion Asked 5years,7monthsago Modified 5years,7monthsago Viewed 34ktimes 12 1 AccordingtotheLongmanDictionaryforAdvancedLearners,theverboriginatecanbeusedwiththeprepositionsfrom,with,in,oras.However,it'snotclearwhyIshouldchooseoneprepositionovertheotheroreveniftheyareallinterchangeable. o‧rig‧i‧nate/ë"rûdžÂneût/ 1[intransitivealways+adverb/preposition,notinprogressive]formaltocomefromaparticularplaceorstartinaparticularsituation: Howdidtheplanoriginate? originatefrom Alotofourmedicinesoriginatefromtropicalplants. originatein ManyChristmastraditionsoriginatedinGermany. originatewith TheideaoriginatedwiththeancientGreekphilosophers. originateas Thetownoriginatedasasmallfishingport. Ihaveaninstinctivereactiontosee'originatefrom'asbeingpossibletobeusedwithaplace,personormaterial,andtosee'originatein'tobeusedwithaplace(sointerchangeablewith'from')butnotwithamaterialorperson,and'tooriginatewith'tobeusedwithaperson(againinterchangeablewith'from')butnotwithaplaceormaterial. SoIcouldsay'tooriginatefrom/inBrazil'or'tooriginatefromtheChinese'butonly'tooriginatefrommilk'and'tooriginatewiththeChinese'. Icanonlysee'tooriginateas'asbeingpossiblewhenreferringtothenatureofsomethingwhenthatsomethingfirstoriginated(IhopeI'mbeingclear).Forexample,asettlementcanoriginateasamercantilecommunityoranagriculturalone(mercantileandagriculturalcommunitiesbeingexamplesofsettlements). So,basically,I'mhopingsomeonewillvalidateand/orcorrectmyinsights. prepositions Share Improvethisquestion Follow askedSep21,2016at14:29 SCforreinstatementofMonicaSCforreinstatementofMonica 3,6271616goldbadges4444silverbadges5959bronzebadges 4 Weusuallysay"camefrom",not"originatedfrom",whenreferringtoaplace. – Barmar Sep23,2016at15:45 Theyallseemreasonablysynonymous. – BladorthinTheGrey Sep23,2016at15:51 @Barmar:so'x'canoriginateinGermany,butnotfromGermany?Therefore,'x'canonlyoriginatefrommaterials? – SCforreinstatementofMonica Sep23,2016at16:11 @Barmar:Abetterexample(assumeit'sanacademicpaperrequiringaformalapproach):'thephysicaldiscomfortoriginatedintheventricule'butnever'thephysicaldiscomfortoriginatedfromtheventricule'. – SCforreinstatementofMonica Sep23,2016at16:15 Addacomment  |  2Answers 2 Sortedby: Resettodefault Highestscore(default) Datemodified(newestfirst) Datecreated(oldestfirst) 6 +50 Atandonaswell. ashastworelevantconnotations.Thefirstischaracterizationofonethingbyanother(Iusedthescrewdriverasalever),andhereit'susedforthingsthatstartasonething(i.e,atorigination)andbecomeanother: Anomalouscosmicrays(ACRs)thatoriginateasinterstellarneutral atomstravelingintotheheliosphere.... ThatistheACRsstartedoutneutralbutbecameionizedinthesolarwind.Thesecondconnotationissynchrony(Icameinashewasleaving).Thus: Rockcrystals,believedtooriginateaswaterslowlyfrozenintopermanentice.... Heretherockcrystalsdidn'tstartoutaswater;theycameaboutwhenwaterfroze. atisusedwithpointsintimeandspace.Fortheformer, Whydidnotthelongitudinalsystemoriginateatthesametimeas thetransversesystem? Thelattermakesforaparticularlypopularusageinanatomyandsystemsoftransportationandcommunication.FromGray'sClinicalNeuroanatomy: ...agroupofcellsthatoriginateattheedgeoftheneuralplate butremaininthesurface.... andfromabookaboutthePennCentralRailroad: NinecombinationsofpreblockedtrainsareprogrammedbythePennCentralfortheEastSt.Louisgateway,sevenofwhichoriginateatBigFourYardandtwoatConwayYard. from,inBoththeseprepositionstellustheoriginationofwhatoriginates,andtheycanoftenbeusedinterchangeably.Consider TheliturgyoriginatedinearlyChurchrites. TheliturgyoriginatedfromearlyChurchrites. Forthingsthathaveclearinteriorsbehindboundaries,inispreferred: TheidiomoriginatedinGermany. Otherwisefromwouldbemoreapt: TheEnglishlanguageoriginatedfromGerman. Forfactualhappenstance,usein;forimplicationsofcausation, usefrom.Thus TheMissouriRiveroriginatesinMontana. but TheMissouriRiveroriginatesfromBower'sSpring. onOriginatelicensestheprepositionon,whenthepointoforiginisontopofsomethingoronthesurfaceofsomething.Thisisagainpopularinanatomy--Bothmusclesoriginateonthelateralportionoftheilium;Thepsoasmajorandiliacusmusclesoriginateontheposteriorabdominalwall.... .Also[Blockslides]commonlyoriginateonsteepslopes....andDidlifeoriginateonMars? withThemeaningsofwithallhavesomesenseofaccompaniment.Thisallowstheconnotationsofcloseassociation(ashirtwithstripes)andresponsibility(Leaveitwithme).Thelatterisreservedforpersons,literal-- Themovementmayoriginatewithwomen,who,withlargereducation, havedevelopedgreatabilityinassociatedeffort. orfigurative-- Billsofallkindsexceptmoneybillsmayoriginatewitheitherhouse. Butthisdoesnoteliminateausageofpureconcommitancy: TheextremelyimportantandvariedgroupofmonoterpenoidÍndole alkaloidsoriginatewiththecondensationoftryptophanwith secologanintogiveStrictosidine,.... Inotherwords,whenyou'redoingorganicchemistrysomealkaloidcompoundsarisealongsidethecondensationofothercompounds. Share Improvethisanswer Follow answeredSep23,2016at18:44 deadratdeadrat 43.8k22goldbadges5757silverbadges101101bronzebadges Addacomment  |  4 Overallyourintuitionmatcheswhat'sinthebooks,i.e.thegooglecorpus.Unfortunatelythatisoftentheonlywaywithprepositionstoseewhattheyusuallycollocatewith.Well,herewego,letthengrambombardmentbegin.Firstly,yourightlypickedfouroutofthetopfiveprepositionsusedafteroriginate. I'llspareustheanalysisofwhatcomesaftertheprepositions,it'stheusualdeterminers,a,the,this,any,etc.DuetothelimitationsoflengthinngramsIhadalookatthenounsfollowingourprepositions. Fromandin Soourtoptwoprepositionsmatchyourgutfeelingprettymuch.Fromisstrongerwithphysicalstuffthanin,whichactuallyhastwocountriesandwhatislikelythestartofafewnounphrases(experience,connection,ignoranceandcauses).NotablyGodisinbothveryhighandalsoatoss-up,evenincludingthenextpreposition. With Thisisabitmoretangible,thetoptencollocationsforwithareallpeopleororganizations-andofcourseGod. At Thisoneofthetopfiveisnotinthequestion,andit'swithoutmanysurprises.Itgoeswithplacesandtimes. As Herewegetabitsciency,thefirsttwoareagainstartofsomenounphrases,thenthebywhichgooglecategorizesasnounforreasonsunknownfollowedbyabunchofbiologyandeverysciencethatuseswaves. Remark OnethingIwanttoreiterate,thesearethetoptennounsthatfollowthoseprepositionsinthebooksgoogledigitized.Thatdoesnotmakeanystatementaboutwhatcomesafternumberten.Thatsaid,forcountriesinoutshinesfrombyoneorderofmagnitude.Thus,forcountriesinisthebetteroption.WhenIshowedthetopcollocationsforwithaboveitshowedpeopleandorganizations.However,inisstillmorepopularwithCongress.Thesameismostlyapplicablefortherestofthewithcollocations.ThenotableexceptionsareMosesandSir.Therefore,forspecificpeoplewithseemsthewaytogo,althoughthatdoesnotapplytoJesusandGod. Share Improvethisanswer Follow answeredSep23,2016at16:53 HelmarHelmar 5,32877goldbadges3030silverbadges6666bronzebadges 2 Coolanswer.Itseems"as"hastodowithphysicalcontinuity,wheretheothersseemtobeabitmoremetaphorical(traditions,etc.) – AzorAhai-him- Sep24,2016at0:13 I'dliketoletyouknowIreallylikedyouranswertoo.IfIcould,I'dhavedividedthebountyinbetweenthetwoforIfeelbothanswerscomplementeachother. – SCforreinstatementofMonica Sep29,2016at18:57 Addacomment  |  YourAnswer ThanksforcontributingananswertoEnglishLanguage&UsageStackExchange!Pleasebesuretoanswerthequestion.Providedetailsandshareyourresearch!Butavoid…Askingforhelp,clarification,orrespondingtootheranswers.Makingstatementsbasedonopinion;backthemupwithreferencesorpersonalexperience.Tolearnmore,seeourtipsonwritinggreatanswers. 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